Why, oh why, are there so few women on naturist websites? Is it because there are so many men on naturist websites, that the women all run away? Might it be that there are too many men, or because there are too few women, in the field? What about a website that is not a naturist website, but offers a naked place, what then?
Oh, why are there so few women programmers? Is it because there are so many male programmers, and the women all run away? Oh, why are there so few women bus drivers? Can women not drive? Oh, why are there so few women brick-layers? Maybe they're not strong enough, or maybe they're not interested! Oh, why are there so few women naked hikers, is it because they are concerned about what all those evil men will do to them, on the wild mountains so far from the police? Oh, why are there so few women on my favourite website, is it because…? Oh, why are there so few women…?
Why are there so many women on porn sites? Is it the money? Surely not! Do we need to make special "women's only naked websites" on Tuesdays? Would making a "no single males permitted" rule help? Is this something which should be fixed, and if so, WHO's going to fix it?
Is this a naked website thing? Is this a "rights" issue? Is this a gender thing? Is this irrelevant?
Comments welcome – what is your opinion?
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Possibly because it is the same old story of male dominance. Funnily enough I was just reading something similar about the single male problem which came from a younger view point and the viewpoint is well thought out.
By the way, they also have some tasty recipes 🙂
Where I live, Ontario, women have been able to go topless in public for twenty years or so. Basically, the female breast is not considered a sex organ and therefore women can go shirtless anywhere a man can. Yet, I have never seen a topless woman on a public beach or mowing the grass.
Why? Because they have been conditioned as much as men have to think of the breast as a sex object. They fear being judged as seeking attention or being flirtatious. We, as a society, are way too uptight about the human body.
We show full frontal nudity (both men and women) on network TV here and have since the 1970s. But when it is their own bodies, people seem to be very protective of their image and what they want to project and I suspect women are much more so than men because of the media and how women are portrayed in it.
I don't understand this comment, Are you being sarcastic? Men do hang out in groups and some are intimidated by women.
I know that I've previously mentioned that an ingrained sense of being "on show" is a very big aspect of this.
My daughter is only nine, and she is acutely aware she is on exhibition. It's communicated to her via the media, her life experiences of being very cute from an early age.
She's very fashion conscious and wary of what people will think of her. Fortunately at the beach, including public beaches, she will "go bare" if her swimmers are uncomfortable, or she just wants to wash off in the surf or what have you. I think the only reason this occurs is because I have no qualms about changing on the beach, going bare whenever possible which leads my son to follow suit. I know for a fact this makes my daughter far less self conscious.
At the end of the day, it is society and the attitude of women themselves who conform to the mould set for them. It's a complex issue, but of course the mainstream buy into it. It's commercial capitalism and people adhering to what they think others expect of them.
try googling . . . naked for charity and you will see.
OK, so there is strength in numbers then. Women feel safer and less judged if they are in a group of naked women.
It's the same as when you go to the disco and see the group of 3 to 5 girls dancing around their handbags. After all, they're surrounded by MEN!
Both men and women are attracted to places and people which/who make them feel welcome, comfortable and valued as a human being .It seems to be in the general nature of humans to cluster together for safety and moral support.Depending on where a perceived threat lies – different groups develop.I do suspect that many women have been led to believe that accordingly their main value in the eyes of men is as a sex object and that their value is proportionate to the level of their age and physical appeal. . . particularly in a situation where she may feel obligated to be undressed/naked to the world and therefore feeling her value is being judged by all who see her there. Some women are comfortable enough with a healthy level of self esteem that the opinions of others matter little. I don't think there are many though who feel this way – unless they have been assured throughout their lives that what they naturally are is good enough.Be careful how you respond to your children and the women in your lives guys.
Which usually keeps them away from communities that are mostly men. Who would want to be the first woman among strange men, when they have almost always already gotten grief in similar situations.
Perhaps women are more strongly conditioned by society and the media/advertising to view their own bodies more sexually than men view theirs and tend not to be able to see their bodies freedom to exist outside of that, thereby are denied/denying themselves the kind of freedom to be unclothed which men are more likely to allow themselves.There is probably the long held association of public female nakedness being equated with porn/'men's magazines' too. Being naked in groups and in the name of charity seems to render women exempt from the same kind of judgement/self judgement.I worked for several years as a life model . . I guess that gave me a different attitude to my naked body.
What do you mean in the name of charity?
Yeah, I thought the name of that song was "In the Name of Love"…?!
I believe he's referring to all the nude calendars put out to raise money.
I think there are many strong people who stand up for the values of naturism on these sites, but all sites are contaminated by people who either go to drool over the photos (both men and women) or to sexualize photos that are not meant to be sexual. As individuals we can help by calling them out and not passing on material that they post.
On Tumblr this is almost a full time job for me. I have thousands of followers and there are so many reblogs of sexual material that I am continually unfollowing individuals. At first, it was simple do not follow anybody who posts sexual material or makes sexist comments. But there are some people who are confused. They are obviously naturists, but post this stuff anyway. Naturists are sexual beings too. The problem is they do not see how destructive it is to the movement.
I have rules that I try to follow about what I post. I never post something that links to a site, especially a sex site. I do not post photos with urls on them. And then there are the usual ones about age and content. Most naturists who post to Tumblr cannot be bothered going to the trouble of checking where there blog or reblog leads.
Here I only post personal photos. On Twitter I do both. My goal in posting pictures is to open people up to possibilities of trying new things while being nude, not just sunning or skinny-dipping and to give a cross section of the types of people who are naturists, all shapes, all sizes, all races, both genders, all walks of life, etc.
I think Iam has highlighted some important factors. Asking why there is gender inequality and exploitation is akin to asking why are people so greedy?
Why is money such a driving force in society? Why are we raping the environment? Why are we so fearful and violent?
There is a single answer to this all. We are that answer. Each and every one of us. So long as one supports war and violence, we all support war and violence. It only takes one to support pornography for it to catch on and become wide spread.
So long as our value systems are all screwed up, the world will continue to be a place of suffering and injustice.
It's up to each of us not to support these things. That way the world can change. It got screwed up bit by bit. It can only be fixed bit by bit. If you're doing your part then that's a start.
I think men chase women away in droves.
First off this is a complex issue and it is difficult to generalise.
As a participant on many sites, I think women can be put off by the attitude of men who view them as sex objects. Some make derogatory and personal comments that put me off, as well. Some terms used to describe women are quite frankly insulting, MILF, for example. I saw one person post to Tumblr today and their comment was they would like to rape that c*nt. I do not follow that person, but it was reposted by someone that I do follow. Not any more.
My wife echoes this when she goes to nude beaches with me. She feels men are assessing women and feels they would take pictures given the opportunity. She also finds that many gays go to nude beaches to hook up and walk about to display themselves, making it a meat market, in her eyes. I have even seen some shameful gestures of wagging gentials and pointing ot the bushes. This is a turn off for her.
Recently we went to a C/O resort and she was very relaxed. It was a totally different atmosphere, but next door was a resort that catered to swingers and sex on the beach was more than just a drink. So, hearing these tales, she is very leery, about nudism in general. She wants to support me, but finds it a challenge.
The biggest problem I think is the attitude of men in general. Most nudists men I know are not like this, but society has created a problem and women are on the receiving end of most of it.
I should add that there are some women who come to these sites looking for sexual stimulation or exploiting sex or pandering to men who want explicit pictures and talk. It is not a one way street.
It's good to hear that although your wife may have reservations, that she still respects you enough to accompany you. It's not easy when you don't both think the same. Good job for trying to make it work, (and kudos to both of you)
i think women are more sensitive about they bodies then men. men care less who sees them and who not